Discussion:
Morse code learning software
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Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-11 17:22:22 UTC
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I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code. The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com

If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.

Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Has
2005-10-12 07:39:39 UTC
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Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code. The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
Congrats for offering another way for folks to learn CW.
Thing is, there is no Easy way. Learning the code takes practice, time, but
most importantly--desire.
The time seems to be coming when learning even 5WPM will not be an issue to
get a ham license, and more than a few are waiting on that. And I won't say
if that's a good or bad thing, but from my experience learing CW is far
easier that what you need to know than what's required for an Extra license.
But again, wanting to learn makes all the difference. And if someone comes
up with an easier way to absorb that knowledge, more power to them, and to
you.

-Has
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-12 12:56:52 UTC
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Post by Has
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code,
and have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the
code. The program can be downloaded from
http://justlearnmorsecode.com If you like the program, please make the
URL known to the members of
your club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
Congrats for offering another way for folks to learn CW.
Thank you.
Post by Has
Thing is, there is no Easy way.
Yes there is. That is what I was posting about.
Post by Has
Learning the code takes practice,
time, but most importantly--desire.
Sure. But using the above mentioned software makes it take less practice,
less time, and even less desire.
Post by Has
But again, wanting to learn makes all the difference.
Wanting to learn is important, but having good tools for learning also makes
a big difference.
Post by Has
And if someone comes up with an easier way to absorb
that knowledge, more power to them, and to you.
Actually, Koch and Farnsworth did just that, a LONG time ago. And the
http://justlearnmorsecode.com web site includes descriptions of both these
methods.


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
e***@thewrightsplace.us
2005-10-15 13:06:24 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:22:22 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code. The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
SWEET and XP Likes it.
Very professionally done.
I used to have cassettes each with one method, one ARRL and
one from, I think CQ magazine. long gone.
I've been on 10 metres so long I can't recognise my own callsign
your software will help change that.
Thank you so very much
Ed
73 de KA9AHQ/7
Dan/W4NTI
2005-10-15 21:15:55 UTC
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Post by e***@thewrightsplace.us
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:22:22 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code. The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
SWEET and XP Likes it.
Very professionally done.
I used to have cassettes each with one method, one ARRL and
one from, I think CQ magazine. long gone.
I've been on 10 metres so long I can't recognise my own callsign
your software will help change that.
Thank you so very much
Ed
73 de KA9AHQ/7
I don't need to learn Morse, but I decided to look it over, I am quite
impressed. Nice program to practice with also.

Wish it had some more speed though.

Any possibility of cranking it up a bit?

Dan/W4NTI
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-15 21:44:27 UTC
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Post by Dan/W4NTI
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse
code, and have created a computer program that makes it easy to
learn the code. The program can be downloaded from
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
I don't need to learn Morse, but I decided to look it over, I am
quite impressed. Nice program to practice with also.
Thank you.
Post by Dan/W4NTI
Wish it had some more speed though.
Any possibility of cranking it up a bit?
I'm assuming that you're not asking for more than 100 WPM ?

The easiest way to change the speed is to change the two numbers next to the
label "Speed" on the line below the menu.

You might also change the speed by selecting /Tools/Options (select Options
in the Tools menu) and then change the two numbers next to "Speed" in there.
There is also a Help button in that screen.

/Help/Contents is another good place to start.


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-15 22:12:29 UTC
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Post by Sigurd Stenersen
The easiest way to change the speed is to change the two numbers next
to the label "Speed" on the line below the menu.
To "clarifuse" a bit - if you want to set the speed to 25 WPM and use
standard timing, you have to change both numbers to 25.

The first number is the word speed, or overall transmit speed. The second
number is the character speed. If the numbers are equal, you're using
standard timing. If the first number is less than the second number, you're
using Farnsworth timing, which means characters are transmitted at the
higher speed with extra spacing inserted between characters and words to
slow the transmission down to match the lower number.

Oh, and you can change settings during a session (while Morse code is being
sent).


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Jerseyj
2005-10-16 10:43:41 UTC
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In article <***@telenor.com>,
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Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Oh, and you can change settings during a session (while Morse code is being
sent).
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-16 12:33:32 UTC
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Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to spend the
little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add more features to
Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to spend some time on regular
ham activities rather than just extending my working hours without being
paid...

One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under the WINE
emulator, tho.


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
unknown
2005-10-16 14:17:05 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to spend the
little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add more features to
Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to spend some time on regular
ham activities rather than just extending my working hours without being
paid...
Sigurd,

I've been following this for awhile and I find it ironic that someone
takes the time to create a piece of software and then offer it free to
anyone who would like to use it only to have a bunch of complainers
giving you flak that they don't like it or aren't getting there monies
worth.

Thank you for your efforts and providing it free in the best of
amateur radio traditions.

Very 73,
Danny, K6MHE
VE3PMK
2005-10-16 14:36:17 UTC
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Likewise, Thanks Sigurd!

VE3PMK
Post by unknown
Sigurd,
I've been following this for awhile and I find it ironic that someone
takes the time to create a piece of software and then offer it free to
anyone who would like to use it only to have a bunch of complainers
giving you flak that they don't like it or aren't getting there monies
worth.
Thank you for your efforts and providing it free in the best of
amateur radio traditions.
Very 73,
Danny, K6MHE
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-16 14:52:15 UTC
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Post by unknown
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to
add more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to
spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just extending
my working hours without being paid...
I've been following this for awhile and I find it ironic that someone
takes the time to create a piece of software and then offer it free to
anyone who would like to use it only to have a bunch of complainers
giving you flak that they don't like it or aren't getting there monies
worth.
If that was all I got I would have given up. But fortunately, I get
positive feedback, too. A lot of people send me encouraging emails, a few
people (like yourself) make positive comments on newsgroups and there has
even been a few donations.

(It's not like I'm going to get anything substantial out of this in terms of
money, but the very idea that somebody is willing to part with money when
they don't have to is a very strong indication that what I have created is
perceived as valuable to others.)

Also, checking the download counter has been very encouraging. Approaching
2000 downloads after just a couple of weeks of "air time" is WAY beyond what
I expected for a Morse code learning program.
Post by unknown
Thank you for your efforts and providing it free in the best of
amateur radio traditions.
Thank you !


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
Dr.Ace
2005-10-16 15:40:51 UTC
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Thank you Sigurd.
As we all know, many of the posters in this NG just want something to bitch
about.
Ace - WH2T
Post by unknown
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to spend the
little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add more features to
Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to spend some time on regular
ham activities rather than just extending my working hours without being
paid...
Sigurd,
I've been following this for awhile and I find it ironic that someone
takes the time to create a piece of software and then offer it free to
anyone who would like to use it only to have a bunch of complainers
giving you flak that they don't like it or aren't getting there monies
worth.
Thank you for your efforts and providing it free in the best of
amateur radio traditions.
Very 73,
Danny, K6MHE
k***@sonic.net
2005-10-17 07:58:11 UTC
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Post by unknown
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to spend the
little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add more features to
Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to spend some time on regular
ham activities rather than just extending my working hours without being
paid...
Sigurd,
I've been following this for awhile and I find it ironic that someone
takes the time to create a piece of software and then offer it free to
anyone who would like to use it only to have a bunch of complainers
giving you flak that they don't like it or aren't getting there monies
worth.
The common saying is -- they'd bitch if you hung tthem with a
brand new rope.
Post by unknown
Thank you for your efforts and providing it free in the best of
amateur radio traditions.
Very 73,
Danny, K6MHE
Bob McConnell
2005-10-17 23:32:17 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to spend the
little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add more features to
Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to spend some time on regular
ham activities rather than just extending my working hours without being
paid...
One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under the WINE
emulator, tho.
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-18 01:16:40 UTC
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Post by unknown
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to
add more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to
spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just extending
my working hours without being paid...
One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under
the WINE emulator, tho.
If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.
Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...


LB3KB, Sigurd
Bob McConnell
2005-10-18 23:17:58 UTC
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Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by unknown
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to spend
the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add more
features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to spend some
time on regular ham activities rather than just extending my working
hours without being paid...
One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under the
WINE emulator, tho.
If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.
Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...
LB3KB, Sigurd
Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-19 00:10:36 UTC
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Post by Bob McConnell
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by unknown
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to
add more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want
to spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just
extending my working hours without being paid...
One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux
under the WINE emulator, tho.
If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few
people interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare
install DirectX on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use
for a box without one.
Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...
Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?
Neither. I was being ironic.

Why don't you just make your own software and throw it away like that, if
you have the skills ? Or are you just bitching because you don't have the
ability ?

So far, I'm the only one giving away great work for free here...


LB3KB, Sigurd
Bob McConnell
2005-10-20 23:56:00 UTC
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Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Bob McConnell
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by unknown
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add
more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to
spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just extending
my working hours without being paid...
One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under
the WINE emulator, tho.
If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.
Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...
Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?
Neither. I was being ironic.
Why don't you just make your own software and throw it away like that, if
you have the skills ? Or are you just bitching because you don't have the
ability ?
So far, I'm the only one giving away great work for free here...
LB3KB, Sigurd
I can and have written code to give away, as well as finding bugs,
indentifying fixes and adding enhancements for other programs. I attempt
to contribute back to any project that I use and some that I only
considered using. But my expertise is in communications and embedded
systems with no user interface. Most of my targets don't have a disk
drive, keyboard, display or an X86 CPU. I usually work is in 'C' and
assembler and ocassionally have to write my own interrupt service
routines. So while the back end is easy, I don't have a clue how to create
a working user interface.

I prefer the GPL so that if someone wants to use my code to make money,
they either share all their code or come talk to me about using a
different license and share some of the money. On the other hand, one of
the advantages of the GPL is that if just 10 people contribute one hour
each to a project, they all get ten hours of value back. But to create the
most value, each should work in an area where they are proficient.

Bob McConnell
N2SPP
Kurt
2005-10-21 14:58:02 UTC
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Post by Bob McConnell
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Bob McConnell
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by unknown
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:33:32 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Well, this is a hobby project and I have to select how I want to
spend the little time I have for hobbies. Currently, I choose to add
more features to Just Learn Morse Code and later I might want to
spend some time on regular ham activities rather than just extending
my working hours without being paid...
One user reported that the executable runs just fine on Linux under
the WINE emulator, tho.
That was me who reported it. I used a 6 month old version of WINE and
a current version of WINE in two differenct computers. One had the
standard OSS sound system and one had the commercial 4Front Technologies
code for sound setup. One machine is a Quad 6 four Pentium-Pro 333Mhz
cpu machine and the other is a very old PR440FX dual Pentium-Pro 333Mhz.
Only thing that doesn't work is the helpfiles.

To get the program to work under WINE, lift the
Just-Learn-Morse-Code.exe file off of a Windows machine. Stick it in
your Linux box and start it with the usual WINE command. I tried to
do an install using WINE and the .msi program but the install hung up.
Manually getting and using the executable works fine for me.

Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go and
it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get me up
to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded myself
I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study the Tech and
General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I would like to get a
higher score.

Kurt Savegnago

Kurt Savegnago
Post by Bob McConnell
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Bob McConnell
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by unknown
If you published the source under the GPL, you might find a few people
interested in porting it to a real OS. I wouldn't dare install DirectX
on any computer with a NIC, but don't have any use for a box without
one.
Really ? Wow ! How incredibly interesting...
Interesting because someone else might be interested in the code, or
because someone actually cares about the security of their computers?
Neither. I was being ironic.
Why don't you just make your own software and throw it away like that, if
you have the skills ? Or are you just bitching because you don't have the
ability ?
So far, I'm the only one giving away great work for free here...
LB3KB, Sigurd
I can and have written code to give away, as well as finding bugs,
indentifying fixes and adding enhancements for other programs. I attempt
to contribute back to any project that I use and some that I only
considered using. But my expertise is in communications and embedded
systems with no user interface. Most of my targets don't have a disk
drive, keyboard, display or an X86 CPU. I usually work is in 'C' and
assembler and ocassionally have to write my own interrupt service
routines. So while the back end is easy, I don't have a clue how to create
a working user interface.
I prefer the GPL so that if someone wants to use my code to make money,
they either share all their code or come talk to me about using a
different license and share some of the money. On the other hand, one of
the advantages of the GPL is that if just 10 people contribute one hour
each to a project, they all get ten hours of value back. But to create the
most value, each should work in an area where they are proficient.
Bob McConnell
N2SPP
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-21 16:26:00 UTC
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Post by Kurt
Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go
and it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get
me up to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded
myself I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study
the Tech and General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I
would like to get a higher score.
What speed setting are you using ?

I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I suppose
that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
Kurt
2005-10-21 19:31:47 UTC
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Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Kurt
Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go
and it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get
me up to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded
myself I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study
the Tech and General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I
would like to get a higher score.
What speed setting are you using ?
I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I suppose
that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
I slowed it down to 10 as I was a bit depressed and I actually haven't
been seriously practicing receiving so I just have to do the 30 minutes
or more a day routine. Use headphones and such.
I memorized by rote the characters and practiced sending in my head
whenever I get the chance. Sending and receiving takes different parts
of the brain to process so I just have to activate the auditory centers.
I did use G4FON's program and other free programs to help me learn the
characters.

The other incentive I have is I am on the shipping list for a Small
Wonders DSW-II 40 meter transceiver kit. When built, I have a dummy
load to work with it but won't plug a key in or transmit until I pass
the test and get assigned a callsign.

A fellow told me he got a rig before he was licensed and used the
receiver to listen and never plugged a key or a mic in. (It was a
considerably pricey rig) It was the incentive for him to keep studying
and worked. It was he who told me that I didn't have to be licensed to
buy a rig and just use it to listen. Just can't send a signal.
(Makes sense to me.)

Kurt Savegnago
Spooge Geeko
2005-10-22 20:18:22 UTC
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:26:00 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Kurt
Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go
and it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get
me up to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded
myself I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study
the Tech and General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I
would like to get a higher score.
What speed setting are you using ?
I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I suppose
that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
try chars at 8wpm with spacing at 16
It gives a better sense of the "flow and rhythm" so its easier to
increase speed.
Ed
de KA9AHQ/7
No Voice, No Vice, Novice :-)

and again
Thank You Sigurd.
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-22 21:20:46 UTC
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Post by Spooge Geeko
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:26:00 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I
suppose that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...
try chars at 8wpm with spacing at 16
It gives a better sense of the "flow and rhythm" so its easier to
increase speed.
According to Koch's research it takes longer to learn below 12 WPM. He
probably didn't use Farnsworth timing, tho.

This is highly subjective either way, so if you find a setting that works
for you just stick with it.

(On the other hand - if you're going to take a test you should find out what
speed is used for that test before you show up. Practicing 5/5 for a test
that's given at 5/18 spells t-r-o-u-b-l-e.)


I use 12/18 for relearning Morse code 24 years later myself. (I use Just
Learn Morse Code whenever I can find the time - currently I spend most of my
hobby hours working on the next version.)


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
Kurt
2005-10-24 18:16:55 UTC
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Thanks for all the advice. Will work harder once the Midwest winter
sets in and the summer hobbies go on the back burner. My wife won't let
me spraypaint in the garage after I poofed the cars.:)

Kurt Savegnago
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Spooge Geeko
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:26:00 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I
suppose that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...
try chars at 8wpm with spacing at 16
It gives a better sense of the "flow and rhythm" so its easier to
increase speed.
According to Koch's research it takes longer to learn below 12 WPM. He
probably didn't use Farnsworth timing, tho.
This is highly subjective either way, so if you find a setting that works
for you just stick with it.
(On the other hand - if you're going to take a test you should find out what
speed is used for that test before you show up. Practicing 5/5 for a test
that's given at 5/18 spells t-r-o-u-b-l-e.)
I use 12/18 for relearning Morse code 24 years later myself. (I use Just
Learn Morse Code whenever I can find the time - currently I spend most of my
hobby hours working on the next version.)
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
Roger
2005-10-27 02:24:04 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:18:22 -0700, Spooge Geeko
Post by Spooge Geeko
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:26:00 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Kurt
Sheesh, I gotta work harder. Can send well but receiving is a whole
'nother ballgame. Fired up JLMC last night and gave it a serious go
and it is indeed going to take 30 minutes a night for sometime to get
me up to speed. I was a bit saddened but felt better when I reminded
myself I haven't put myself on a timeframe and still need to study
the Tech and General Manuals. Passed an OnLine tech exam, but I
would like to get a higher score.
What speed setting are you using ?
I think it may be harder learning at below 12 WPM than above. But I suppose
that's bad news if you're aiming for a 5WPM test...
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com
try chars at 8wpm with spacing at 16
You sure that isn't the character at 16 with the spacing set to give 8
WPM?

If the character and spacing are not the same it just doesn't sound
right. It was easier for me to learn with the proper spacing for the
speed.

Now days I can copy 5, but it's work. At 20 I hear word sounds which
is easy, but I'd be lost trying to copy 8 with a spacing for 16, or
the characters sent at 16 with the spacing set to give 8WPM.

Every one is different.
Post by Spooge Geeko
It gives a better sense of the "flow and rhythm" so its easier to
For me it breaks the flow and rhythm, but OTOH you are learning the
character sounds .


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Post by Spooge Geeko
increase speed.
Ed
de KA9AHQ/7
No Voice, No Vice, Novice :-)
and again
Thank You Sigurd.
VE3PMK
2005-10-16 14:10:07 UTC
Permalink
There are lots of nice code programs for MacOS.

Just go to www.google.com/mac and type morse code software in the search
string.

Sorry, can't help you on Linux, but I'm sure they're out there also.

As to the bashing of morse code, if a group of people wanted to play
with communication via smoke signals or tin cans connected with yarn,
it's difficult to understand the mindset of another group who chooses to
flame them for it. Peculiar thinking indeed. Why not flame those
microwave guys who drive around from mountain top to mountain top with
their feed horns and tripods? Perhaps it's because if they enjoy doing
it then all the power to them! It's all about what you enjoy in the
hobby, and if some like morse and others like microwave and yet others
enjoy APRS... hurrah for all of them. Have fun and let others have their
fun too.

VE3PMK
Post by Jerseyj
<stuff cut
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Oh, and you can change settings during a session (while Morse code is being
sent).
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
k***@sonic.net
2005-10-17 08:00:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by VE3PMK
There are lots of nice code programs for MacOS.
Just go to www.google.com/mac and type morse code software in the search
string.
Sorry, can't help you on Linux, but I'm sure they're out there also.
As to the bashing of morse code, if a group of people wanted to play
with communication via smoke signals or tin cans connected with yarn,
it's difficult to understand the mindset of another group who chooses to
flame them for it. Peculiar thinking indeed.
Yep. Right along the lines of, "Kill all the horses; we have
cars now."
Post by VE3PMK
Why not flame those
microwave guys who drive around from mountain top to mountain top with
their feed horns and tripods? Perhaps it's because if they enjoy doing
it then all the power to them! It's all about what you enjoy in the
hobby, and if some like morse and others like microwave and yet others
enjoy APRS... hurrah for all of them. Have fun and let others have their
fun too.
VE3PMK
Post by Jerseyj
<stuff cut
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Oh, and you can change settings during a session (while Morse code is being
sent).
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Kurt
2005-10-19 18:27:09 UTC
Permalink
(Snip)

Ahem,

If you have a Linux box setup with a sound card and have a reasonably
current installation of the WINE emulator, the Just Learn Morse Code
executable runs just fine. The helpfiles don't work in WINE but the
program is a go. I lifted the executable off of my win2000 box though
some versions of WINE will install an .msi file.

Kurt Savegnago
Post by Jerseyj
Too band there isn't a Linux or MacOS version!
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Oh, and you can change settings during a session (while Morse code is being
sent).
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Mike Andrews
2005-10-17 16:07:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by e***@thewrightsplace.us
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:22:22 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code. The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
SWEET and XP Likes it.
Very professionally done.
I used to have cassettes each with one method, one ARRL and
one from, I think CQ magazine. long gone.
I've been on 10 metres so long I can't recognise my own callsign
your software will help change that.
Thank you so very much
Ed
73 de KA9AHQ/7
And a big "What He Said" from me, too. That's a really pretty piece of
code, Sigurd, and I very much appreciate you making it available to
us.

I've been teaching a Morse class to folks in the local club using
G4FON's Koch program, and that's usable, but it appears to have some
issues with character spacing. Yours, on the other hand, gets the
character spacing right.

Thanks very much indeed, es 73 de
--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
***@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin
Kurt
2005-10-19 18:31:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Andrews
Post by e***@thewrightsplace.us
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:22:22 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code. The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
SWEET and XP Likes it.
Very professionally done.
I used to have cassettes each with one method, one ARRL and
one from, I think CQ magazine. long gone.
I've been on 10 metres so long I can't recognise my own callsign
your software will help change that.
Thank you so very much
Ed
73 de KA9AHQ/7
And a big "What He Said" from me, too. That's a really pretty piece of
code, Sigurd, and I very much appreciate you making it available to
us.
I've been teaching a Morse class to folks in the local club using
G4FON's Koch program, and that's usable, but it appears to have some
issues with character spacing. Yours, on the other hand, gets the
character spacing right.
Thanks very much indeed, es 73 de
Cool!

I've had spotty results from G4Fon's koch program under linux and WINE
but have it on my windows box. Heck the program was never designed to
run in anything other than Windows so this is not a criticism at all.
I just try to see if I can get Windows stuff to run in WINE. Sometimes
it works sometimes it doesn't

Kurt Savegnago
Wayne P. Muckleroy
2005-10-15 21:22:31 UTC
Permalink
Morse is dead...hang it up!
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code. The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-15 21:48:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code,
and have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the
code. The program can be downloaded from
http://justlearnmorsecode.com If you like the program, please make the
URL known to the members of
your club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
Morse is dead...hang it up!
I don't know your reasoning for making a statement like that, but no matter
what it is it applies to ham radio in general. What do you need ham radio
for in the first place ? A cell phone is all you need to talk to anybody,
anywhere, anytime.

So what are you doing here on the ham radio newsgroups in the first place ?


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Has
2005-10-16 00:03:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code,
and have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the
code. The program can be downloaded from
http://justlearnmorsecode.com If you like the program, please make the
URL known to the members of
your club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
Morse is dead...hang it up!
I don't know your reasoning for making a statement like that, but no
matter what it is it applies to ham radio in general. What do you need
ham radio for in the first place ? A cell phone is all you need to talk
to anybody, anywhere, anytime.
So what are you doing here on the ham radio newsgroups in the first place ?
Indeed.

-has
Wayne P. Muckleroy
2005-10-16 01:52:52 UTC
Permalink
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a miracle
that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and (slowly)
communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of spark generators
were invented and we were really advanced because we could lose the wire
sets and communicate across the big pond.

I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the importance
of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time in here. However,
if I need to order a pizza on my way home from work, I don't pull out my HT
and patch into the local pizzeria. I use my cell phone of course.

But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously, the
cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my key and
start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal contact via an HF
mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could find other modes to use that
are almost as efficient as Morse. If all else fails, I could hook up my
lap-top, and let it do all the work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the
off chance my lap-top is dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In
which case, I still don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me
to 20, 40, 60 wpm.

I have much more important things to do with my time than practice this dead
language.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)

co
communicatio
Post by Has
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code,
and have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the
code. The program can be downloaded from
http://justlearnmorsecode.com If you like the program, please make the
URL known to the members of
your club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
Morse is dead...hang it up!
I don't know your reasoning for making a statement like that, but no
matter what it is it applies to ham radio in general. What do you need
ham radio for in the first place ? A cell phone is all you need to talk
to anybody, anywhere, anytime.
So what are you doing here on the ham radio newsgroups in the first place ?
Indeed.
-has
Dean Norris
2005-10-16 02:01:31 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:52:52 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a miracle
that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and (slowly)
communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of spark generators
were invented and we were really advanced because we could lose the wire
sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the importance
of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time in here. However,
if I need to order a pizza on my way home from work, I don't pull out my HT
and patch into the local pizzeria. I use my cell phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously, the
cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my key and
start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal contact via an HF
mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could find other modes to use that
are almost as efficient as Morse. If all else fails, I could hook up my
lap-top, and let it do all the work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the
off chance my lap-top is dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In
which case, I still don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me
to 20, 40, 60 wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice this dead
language.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Well, la-de-dah! That's norris code for who gives a shit. I happen
to enjoy code. You do your thing, I'll do mine.
Dan/W4NTI
2005-10-18 00:55:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dean Norris
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:52:52 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a miracle
that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and (slowly)
communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of spark generators
were invented and we were really advanced because we could lose the wire
sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the importance
of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time in here. However,
if I need to order a pizza on my way home from work, I don't pull out my HT
and patch into the local pizzeria. I use my cell phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously, the
cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my key and
start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal contact via an HF
mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could find other modes to use that
are almost as efficient as Morse. If all else fails, I could hook up my
lap-top, and let it do all the work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the
off chance my lap-top is dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In
which case, I still don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me
to 20, 40, 60 wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice this dead
language.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Well, la-de-dah! That's norris code for who gives a shit. I happen
to enjoy code. You do your thing, I'll do mine.
I agree, also it keeps the QRM.

Dan/W4NTI
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-16 02:06:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a
miracle that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and
(slowly) communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of
spark generators were invented and we were really advanced because we
could lose the wire sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the
importance of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time
in here. However, if I need to order a pizza on my way home from
work, I don't pull out my HT and patch into the local pizzeria. I use
my cell phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously,
the cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my
key and start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal
contact via an HF mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could
find other modes to use that are almost as efficient as Morse. If all
else fails, I could hook up my lap-top, and let it do all the
work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the off chance my lap-top is
dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In which case, I still
don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me to 20, 40, 60
wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice
this dead language.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Wayne, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you really are an
idiot.

Now go order yourself a pizza with your HF voice rig or something. You're
clearly a very efficient guy, so why waste your time arguing about a
technology that you don't want to spend any time on ?


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Wayne P. Muckleroy
2005-10-16 09:06:11 UTC
Permalink
...for calling me an idiot and then wishing me 73. Somehow, I doubt your
sincerity.

Don't worry...I have not wasted any time on code. The only time I spent on
code was the two weeks I needed to get to 5 wpm. This was to pass the code
element in the States.

My sincere thanks to Samuel and Guglielmo for their contributions to
communication technology. Thank God that their pioneering efforts have lead
the way to much more! Goodbye clicks, dots, and dashes. Hello ones and
zeros.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a
miracle that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and
(slowly) communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of
spark generators were invented and we were really advanced because we
could lose the wire sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the
importance of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time
in here. However, if I need to order a pizza on my way home from
work, I don't pull out my HT and patch into the local pizzeria. I use
my cell phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously,
the cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my
key and start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal
contact via an HF mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could
find other modes to use that are almost as efficient as Morse. If all
else fails, I could hook up my lap-top, and let it do all the
work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the off chance my lap-top is
dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In which case, I still
don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me to 20, 40, 60
wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice
this dead language.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Wayne, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you really are an
idiot.
Now go order yourself a pizza with your HF voice rig or something. You're
clearly a very efficient guy, so why waste your time arguing about a
technology that you don't want to spend any time on ?
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Dee Flint
2005-10-16 11:30:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
...for calling me an idiot and then wishing me 73. Somehow, I doubt your
sincerity.
Don't worry...I have not wasted any time on code. The only time I spent on
code was the two weeks I needed to get to 5 wpm. This was to pass the code
element in the States.
My sincere thanks to Samuel and Guglielmo for their contributions to
communication technology. Thank God that their pioneering efforts have
lead the way to much more! Goodbye clicks, dots, and dashes. Hello ones
and zeros.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
You do realize of course that, since you do not intend to do anything
further with the morse code skill, learning it to only 5wpm is not
sufficient to retain the knowledge and it will not be available to you
should you ever need.

You do realize of course that the ones and zeros modes become unuseable when
there are auroras, thunderstorms, geomagnetic disturbances, etc.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE
Sigurd Stenersen
2005-10-16 12:25:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
If on the off chance my lap-top is dead, I could resort to manual
Morse at 5 wpm. In which case, I still don't need
the stupid Morse learning software
to get me to 20, 40, 60 wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice
this dead language.
Wayne, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you really are
an idiot.
[Thanks...]
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
...for calling me an idiot and then wishing me 73. Somehow, I doubt
your sincerity.
Actually, I didn't really mean that you're an idiot so you're right about
that. Me calling you an idiot was a response to you referring to my work as
"stupid morse learning software".

Of course you are entitled to think whatever you want about anything.
Still, it seems selfish at best to be that condescending about other peoples
interests and hard work just because it doesn't fit YOUR abilities to learn
and become interested.


73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
k***@sonic.net
2005-10-17 08:11:09 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:06:11 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
...for calling me an idiot and then wishing me 73. Somehow, I doubt your
sincerity.
Don't worry...I have not wasted any time on code. The only time I spent on
code was the two weeks I needed to get to 5 wpm. This was to pass the code
element in the States.
My sincere thanks to Samuel and Guglielmo for their contributions to
communication technology. Thank God that their pioneering efforts have lead
the way to much more! Goodbye clicks, dots, and dashes. Hello ones and
zeros.
Typical binary thinker -- there only two ways -- his and the
wrong ways. Narrow-minded POS.
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a
miracle that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and
(slowly) communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of
spark generators were invented and we were really advanced because we
could lose the wire sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the
importance of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time
in here. However, if I need to order a pizza on my way home from
work, I don't pull out my HT and patch into the local pizzeria. I use
my cell phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously,
the cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my
key and start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal
contact via an HF mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could
find other modes to use that are almost as efficient as Morse. If all
else fails, I could hook up my lap-top, and let it do all the
work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the off chance my lap-top is
dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In which case, I still
don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me to 20, 40, 60
wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice
this dead language.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Wayne, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you really are an
idiot.
Now go order yourself a pizza with your HF voice rig or something. You're
clearly a very efficient guy, so why waste your time arguing about a
technology that you don't want to spend any time on ?
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Dan/W4NTI
2005-10-18 00:57:04 UTC
Permalink
One more reason to close the borders.

Dan/W4NTI
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
...for calling me an idiot and then wishing me 73. Somehow, I doubt your
sincerity.
Don't worry...I have not wasted any time on code. The only time I spent on
code was the two weeks I needed to get to 5 wpm. This was to pass the code
element in the States.
My sincere thanks to Samuel and Guglielmo for their contributions to
communication technology. Thank God that their pioneering efforts have
lead the way to much more! Goodbye clicks, dots, and dashes. Hello ones
and zeros.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a
miracle that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and
(slowly) communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of
spark generators were invented and we were really advanced because we
could lose the wire sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the
importance of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time
in here. However, if I need to order a pizza on my way home from
work, I don't pull out my HT and patch into the local pizzeria. I use
my cell phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously,
the cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my
key and start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal
contact via an HF mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could
find other modes to use that are almost as efficient as Morse. If all
else fails, I could hook up my lap-top, and let it do all the
work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the off chance my lap-top is
dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In which case, I still
don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me to 20, 40, 60
wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice
this dead language.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Wayne, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you really are an
idiot.
Now go order yourself a pizza with your HF voice rig or something.
You're clearly a very efficient guy, so why waste your time arguing about
a technology that you don't want to spend any time on ?
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
k***@sonic.net
2005-10-17 08:06:49 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 04:06:49 +0200, "Sigurd Stenersen"
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a
miracle that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and
(slowly) communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of
spark generators were invented and we were really advanced because we
could lose the wire sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the
importance of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time
in here. However, if I need to order a pizza on my way home from
work, I don't pull out my HT and patch into the local pizzeria. I use
my cell phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously,
the cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my
key and start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal
contact via an HF mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could
find other modes to use that are almost as efficient as Morse. If all
else fails, I could hook up my lap-top, and let it do all the
work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the off chance my lap-top is
dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In which case, I still
don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me to 20, 40, 60
wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice
this dead language.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
Wayne, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you really are an
idiot.
Now go order yourself a pizza with your HF voice rig or something. You're
clearly a very efficient guy, so why waste your time arguing about a
technology that you don't want to spend any time on ?
Better yet, crawl to the pizza shop and order it in person.
It'll keep you off usenet for a couple of hours.
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Has
2005-10-16 23:07:56 UTC
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Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a
miracle that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and (slowly)
communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of spark
generators were invented and we were really advanced because we could lose
the wire sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the
importance of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time in
here. However, if I need to order a pizza on my way home from work, I
don't pull out my HT and patch into the local pizzeria. I use my cell
phone of course.
Of course.

There are those however who find using the code to be an enjoyable way of
communicating, for any number of reasons.

Thanks to LB3KB for offering another good way to learn for those folks who
choose to do so.

-Has
KC6TRC
Amos Keag
2005-10-17 11:42:10 UTC
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antiquated. SNIPPED
But, it [Morse Code] is a great way to work those DX-peditions with only
100 watts and a dipole.
Falky foo
2005-10-16 20:03:37 UTC
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very true. the only time you would NEED code would be in EXTREMELY bad
situations -- ie, the world as we know it is gone gone gone. Otherwise
it's truly an anachronism. I suppose it's good to have folks who know it
just in case of some major MAJOR catastrophe; and there are some people who
enjoy learning Latin too, a fairly useless language. So good-on-em if
that's their thing.
Dr.Ace
2005-10-17 05:02:34 UTC
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Absconde obesito illegitimo
Ace - WH2T
Post by Falky foo
very true. the only time you would NEED code would be in EXTREMELY bad
situations -- ie, the world as we know it is gone gone gone. Otherwise
it's truly an anachronism. I suppose it's good to have folks who know it
just in case of some major MAJOR catastrophe; and there are some people who
enjoy learning Latin too, a fairly useless language. So good-on-em if
that's their thing.
Falky foo
2005-10-17 06:45:00 UTC
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Post by Dr.Ace
Absconde obesito illegitimo
Ace - WH2T
exactly
Has
2005-10-17 07:06:06 UTC
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Interesting that the rather useless and antiquated Usenet still thrives...

-has
Post by Dr.Ace
Absconde obesito illegitimo
Ace - WH2T
Post by Falky foo
very true. the only time you would NEED code would be in EXTREMELY bad
situations -- ie, the world as we know it is gone gone gone. Otherwise
it's truly an anachronism. I suppose it's good to have folks who know it
just in case of some major MAJOR catastrophe; and there are some people who
enjoy learning Latin too, a fairly useless language. So good-on-em if
that's their thing.
Wayne P. Muckleroy
2005-11-01 18:09:45 UTC
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Get outta here you fat bastard?
Post by Dr.Ace
Absconde obesito illegitimo
Ace - WH2T
Post by Falky foo
very true. the only time you would NEED code would be in EXTREMELY bad
situations -- ie, the world as we know it is gone gone gone. Otherwise
it's truly an anachronism. I suppose it's good to have folks who know it
just in case of some major MAJOR catastrophe; and there are some people who
enjoy learning Latin too, a fairly useless language. So good-on-em if
that's their thing.
Dr.Ace
2005-11-01 21:27:06 UTC
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Wayne,
That's a good translation.
Ace - WH2T
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Get outta here you fat bastard?
Post by Dr.Ace
Absconde obesito illegitimo
Ace - WH2T
Post by Falky foo
very true. the only time you would NEED code would be in EXTREMELY bad
situations -- ie, the world as we know it is gone gone gone. Otherwise
it's truly an anachronism. I suppose it's good to have folks who know it
just in case of some major MAJOR catastrophe; and there are some people who
enjoy learning Latin too, a fairly useless language. So good-on-em if
that's their thing.
e***@thewrightsplace.us
2005-10-17 05:25:20 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:03:37 GMT, "Falky foo"
Post by Falky foo
very true. the only time you would NEED code would be in EXTREMELY bad
situations -- ie, the world as we know it is gone gone gone. Otherwise
it's truly an anachronism. I suppose it's good to have folks who know it
just in case of some major MAJOR catastrophe; and there are some people who
enjoy learning Latin too, a fairly useless language. So good-on-em if
that's their thing.
You are in a car crash, car rolls down the hill and you are trapped
as luck would have it your mic was damaged in the crash
The forest hides your car

strip the mic wires with your teeth
... --- ... ...---...

Without the radio bits, accidents like this happen in the pacific NW
and the california coast

I know its far fetched, but its worth a thought

73 de KA9AHQ/7
k***@sonic.net
2005-10-17 08:09:00 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:03:37 GMT, "Falky foo"
Post by Falky foo
very true. the only time you would NEED code would be in EXTREMELY bad
situations -- ie, the world as we know it is gone gone gone. Otherwise
it's truly an anachronism. I suppose it's good to have folks who know it
just in case of some major MAJOR catastrophe; and there are some people who
enjoy learning Latin too, a fairly useless language.
Studying Latin has done more for my English composition than
any English class I ever took. Your characterization is baseless.
Post by Falky foo
So good-on-em if
that's their thing.
Falky foo
2005-10-17 19:28:15 UTC
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Oh, I don't think your little example makes my characterization "baseless."
But it does looks as though I tweaked some people by calling their choice of
study a waste of time.
Post by k***@sonic.net
Studying Latin has done more for my English composition than
any English class I ever took. Your characterization is baseless.
k***@sonic.net
2005-10-17 22:47:26 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:28:15 GMT, "Falky foo"
Post by Falky foo
Oh, I don't think your little example makes my characterization "baseless."
But it does looks as though I tweaked some people by calling their choice of
study a waste of time.
Post by k***@sonic.net
Studying Latin has done more for my English composition than
any English class I ever took. Your characterization is baseless.
Oooohhhhhhh -- a tweaker. Is that the best you have to occupy
your useless life?
e***@thewrightsplace.us
2005-10-17 22:17:51 UTC
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Post by k***@sonic.net
Studying Latin has done more for my English composition than
any English class I ever took. Your characterization is baseless.
I speak American, a little Spanish, almost no Portugese
BUT: I can communication with any other language speaker through morse
code.
To me a major cool part of ham radio has been meeting new people from
different places and "seeing whats up"
Ed
73 de KA9AHQ/7
k***@sonic.net
2005-10-17 08:05:20 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:52:52 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a miracle
that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and (slowly)
communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of spark generators
were invented and we were really advanced because we could lose the wire
sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the importance
of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time in here. However,
if I need to order a pizza on my way home from work, I don't pull out my HT
and patch into the local pizzeria. I use my cell phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously, the
cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my key and
start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal contact via an HF
mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could find other modes to use that
are almost as efficient as Morse. If all else fails, I could hook up my
lap-top, and let it do all the work--sending and receiving Morse. If on the
off chance my lap-top is dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5 wpm. In
which case, I still don't need the stupid Morse learning software to get me
to 20, 40, 60 wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice this dead
language.
And I have much more important things to do than listen to
your whining that others may enjoy something you don't enjoy. If
you're so unhappy with morse, piss off and let those who care talk
about it or learn it. None of your goddamnes business anyway.

Do you go out on the street and bitch at peole who drive a
different make of car from yours?
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
co
communicatio
Post by Has
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code,
and have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the
code. The program can be downloaded from
http://justlearnmorsecode.com If you like the program, please make the
URL known to the members of
your club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
Morse is dead...hang it up!
I don't know your reasoning for making a statement like that, but no
matter what it is it applies to ham radio in general. What do you need
ham radio for in the first place ? A cell phone is all you need to talk
to anybody, anywhere, anytime.
So what are you doing here on the ham radio newsgroups in the first place ?
Indeed.
-has
Dan/W4NTI
2005-10-18 00:54:50 UTC
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Gee Wayne....with your standard I reckon you need to dump that Lead Acid
Battery, it was designed way back in the 20th century. And that antiquated
Telephone got to go too. Heck, AM radio and FM radio needs to go too. And
Television with all that old Analog stuff....Hey how about that internal
combustion engine too?

Wayne baby....just because it is old, does not mean it is not useful.

Have a good day.

Dan/W4NTI
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
antiquated. It was developed during a time when it was considered a
miracle that we could string wire sets for thousands of miles and (slowly)
communicate with a series of "clicks." Then the miracle of spark
generators were invented and we were really advanced because we could lose
the wire sets and communicate across the big pond.
I tend to be practical when it comes to technology. I realize the
importance of amateur radio or else I would not be spending my time in
here. However, if I need to order a pizza on my way home from work, I
don't pull out my HT and patch into the local pizzeria. I use my cell
phone of course.
But, during a time of power failure or disastrous periods, obviously, the
cell will not function. So then, I would use a portable method of
communication. This does not mean I would automatically pull out my key
and start sending Morse. Most likely, I would attempt verbal contact via
an HF mode. If bandwidth is limited, I'm sure I could find other modes to
use that are almost as efficient as Morse. If all else fails, I could hook
up my lap-top, and let it do all the work--sending and receiving Morse. If
on the off chance my lap-top is dead, I could resort to manual Morse at 5
wpm. In which case, I still don't need the stupid Morse learning software
to get me to 20, 40, 60 wpm.
I have much more important things to do with my time than practice this
dead language.
Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
co
communicatio
Post by Has
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code,
and have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the
code. The program can be downloaded from
http://justlearnmorsecode.com If you like the program, please make the
URL known to the members of
your club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
Morse is dead...hang it up!
I don't know your reasoning for making a statement like that, but no
matter what it is it applies to ham radio in general. What do you need
ham radio for in the first place ? A cell phone is all you need to talk
to anybody, anywhere, anytime.
So what are you doing here on the ham radio newsgroups in the first place ?
Indeed.
-has
Dan/W4NTI
2005-10-18 00:51:29 UTC
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You really shouldn't show your ignorance in such a public forum Wayne.

Dan/W4NTI
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Morse is dead...hang it up!
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code.
The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
Kurt
2005-10-19 18:48:37 UTC
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Aieeee!

How about cooling off folks? Like it or not, I suspect the code
requirement will be dropped as a requirement for licensing in the U.S.
as it has been in other venues. That may or may not help the drop in
interest in ham radio but I doubt it. The no-code tech license probably
didn't make a difference. Nonetheless, there will always be someone who
likes the challenge of a minimalist approach and I am one of those.
Hopefully, there be someone left on air who won't mind my first feeble
attempts at CW when I finally get licensed.
I think there is enough things in the hobby to interest one's fancy.
CW is one small facet. I don't think it is worth getting testy over.
The overall decline in the hobby may be in part to the loss of interest
in science in this country.

Best regards,
Kurt Savegnago
Post by Dan/W4NTI
You really shouldn't show your ignorance in such a public forum Wayne.
Dan/W4NTI
Post by Wayne P. Muckleroy
Morse is dead...hang it up!
Post by Sigurd Stenersen
I decided to make a contribution to the continued use of Morse code, and
have created a computer program that makes it easy to learn the code.
The
program can be downloaded from http://justlearnmorsecode.com
If you like the program, please make the URL known to the members of your
club and anybody else that might be interested.
Also, comments and suggestions are very welcome.
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
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